Curse

Firebaall · Jun 18, 2010, 08:29 PM // 20:29

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Originally Posted by Emunator

I actually told Gaile where i did get the software from, but not posting that here since people might get banned for using it.
Now please stop trolling/flaming since i actually am showing what support is doing.
I am trying to be unbiased as possible wich is hard enough for me since i did get banned.
Yes i should have stayed away from 3rd party applications like that, but i did nothing that would have hurt the economy or anyone else.
I just enjoyed the game like a lot of other people.

But whatever way you look at it from my opinion, i do not deserve a permanent ban for the thing i did.

You used GWCA. No matter what your intentions were or how it affected other players...you should be banned for good.

BuD · Jun 18, 2010, 08:37 PM // 20:37

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that you had to be able to see everyone's armors in high resolution in outposts to enjoy the game. And I also forgot that you had to be able to run 2 accounts at once so you could get a mini polar bear in order to enjoy the game.

While I find it asinine for you to claim that you "need" these things in order to play

I dont HAVE to see high rez armors to enjoy the game, its a nice add on that prevents me from having to go to another website to see armor the way it would look on my character & not some small shotty screenshot taken from someones low spec'd PC. And who wants to look at crappy textures when they dont have to anyways?

I dont run 2 accounts to get a MPB, I cba to farm that quest on one account let alone 2 or more. I run 2 accounts to trade inventory between my accounts, with the insecurities of the NCSoft site in the past, my 2nd account is not tied to NCSoft, so if anyone does get my info from NCSoft, at least I know my shinies will be safe.

I find it asinine that you assume the worst from people, especially people you dont even know.

Emunator · Jun 18, 2010, 09:19 PM // 21:19

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Originally Posted by Firebaall

You used GWCA. No matter what your intentions were or how it affected other players...you should be banned for good.

GWCA could you please type what you mean, i am not an english/american guy and i don not know all shorts in typing.

And i used paket fakor, does not sound like GWCA at all.

And my best guess is you used texmod at one time at least, you and all other people doing that should be banned too.
Or the people that used KSmod or Guildwars multi launcher, let's not make exceptions for anyone.

So now please stop your trolling/flaming.

Gill Halendt · Jun 18, 2010, 09:58 PM // 21:58

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Originally Posted by Emunator

And i used paket fakor, does not sound like GWCA at all.

GWCA stands for Guild Wars Client API. API in turn stands for Application Programming Interface.

GWCA is likely the API around which most bots are based, and probably PaketFakor too.

As I said before, you're no cheater, but still used forbidden software. Cheating is a purely game (and ethic) issue. Bots are forbidden because they force/hack/manipulate data transmission during the client/server communication.

A bot could be programmed not to give any actual game advantage - like, say, a bot just to automate your character going in circles - but you'd still be banned for using it, for the reason mentioned above.

Firebaall · Jun 18, 2010, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

GWCA stands for Guild Wars Client API. API in turn stands for Application Programming Interface.

GWCA is likely the API around which most bots are based, and probably PaketFakor too.

As I said before, you're no cheater, but still used forbidden software. Cheating is a purely game (and ethic) issue. Bots are forbidden because they force/hack/manipulate data transmission during the client/server communication.

A bot could be programmed not to give any actual game advantage - like, say, a bot just to automate your character going in circles - but you'd still be banned for using it, for the reason mentioned above.

Exactly.

I'd like to know how he used PaketFakor without it. In fact I downloaded it to take a look, and sure enough....plain as day.....there it was. He's lying about not knowing what it is.

I think I'll have to open a support ticket c/o Gaile Gray to address this fraud.

Ka Tet · Jun 18, 2010, 10:29 PM // 22:29

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Originally Posted by Firebaall

Exactly.

I'd like to know how he used PaketFakor without it. In fact I downloaded it to take a look, and sure enough....plain as day.....there it was. He's lying about not knowing what it is.

I think I'll have to open a support ticket c/o Gaile Gray to address this fraud.

I hope you get banned for your curiosity,

Firebaall · Jun 18, 2010, 10:51 PM // 22:51

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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude

I hope you get banned for your curiosity,

lol...

Since I'd have to execute the code in a game enviroment before it was Anet's business what I have on my computer's hard drive, fat chance.

majoho · Jun 18, 2010, 10:53 PM // 22:53

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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude

I hope you get banned for your curiosity,

Stop being a bitter botter.

I can't see anything wrong with him downloading some files and looking at them, however downloading something and actually USING it for even one minute SHOULD get that person banned no matter what.

Tullzinski · Jun 19, 2010, 01:58 PM // 13:58

Emunator, you should not get your hopes up if faker is using the API. That program is bad mojo, a very powerful tool responsible for an array of cheats.

*lemming* · Jun 19, 2010, 07:40 PM // 19:40

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Originally Posted by MisterB

It is against the rules to use 3rd party software that gives you an advantage, alters or influences the client or server, or automates play.

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

Please, elaborate. Because frankly I see anything more than texmod as a blatant way to bypass game mechanics that have been put in place for a reason.

Texmod can be used to provide specific in-game advantages. Does this mean it's exploitative?

stretchs · Jun 22, 2010, 02:24 AM // 02:24

One of the oddities that I have seen is, Gaile has created a new bot info page, and they said the reason all bot bans were unappealable is that there was no way to remove the gains by them. Of course if we look at previous dealings with massive bots, the HFFF bots which abused and sodomized the economy at that time, those people were give 2 week removals then most were allowed back in game with no removal of items. While I dont support anyone cheating, I do see it a bit two faced to see them deal with these items completely differently but both broke the economy and rules equally.

BoxOfCox · Jun 22, 2010, 06:54 AM // 06:54

Cheaters gonna cheat.

shoyon456 · Jun 22, 2010, 07:17 AM // 07:17

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Originally Posted by lemming

Texmod can be used to provide specific in-game advantages. Does this mean it's exploitative?

If you're going to quote me, do it in full context. I said:

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

Please, elaborate. Because frankly I see anything more than texmod as a blatant way to bypass game mechanics that have been put in place for a reason. Even texmod does this to an extent, but not nearly as drastically as others such as the multi-client launcher.

The fact, as I understand it, is that Emunator and others used programs which interacted with the client on a very technical, manipulating level and could be used for bots or bot-like programs. However, Texmod only changes the skins for the individual within the game. Texmod can be used to gain some advantages, but it is not explicitly voiding the EULA.

As Anet has always said they will not pursue those who use texmod since it only changes skins for the individual and cannot be used to directly affect anything within the game (I hope you know the meaning of directly here). Here is the official statement, compliments to Sojar:

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Originally Posted by Anet

Players know that we have not targeted "benign" software—the kind that does not give a player any sort of in-game advantage—and that we have no intentions of doing so in the future. Further, we can make it clear that we do not believe it is in our interest to specifically target the users of software of this sort. But that's as far as our reassurances can go.

These other programs interacted in the game in ways that either did or could have been used to directly give players an advantage, such as bots. Anet never said any program was approved, only that texmod was given a pass with a sort of "salutary neglect." These other programs fell under Anet's presumption of use them at your own risk. Ignorance of knowing whether or not a program you used could have been used maliciously doesn't get you off the hook. Play the game normally and you won't have this issue. No one "falsely" banned deserves their account back. It seems there are a few genuine cases of people who got banned for no reason, but all of you claiming it is "unfair" are only complaining cause you got caught.

Take your toys and leave, seriously.

*lemming* · Jun 22, 2010, 08:10 AM // 08:10

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

If you're going to quote me, do it in full context. I said:

The fact, as I understand it, is that Emunator and others used programs which interacted with the client on a very technical, manipulating level and could be used for bots or bot-like programs. However, Texmod only changes the skins for the individual within the game. Texmod can be used to gain some advantages, but it is not explicitly voiding the EULA.

As Anet has always said they will not pursue those who use texmod since it only changes skins for the individual and cannot be used to directly affect anything within the game (I hope you know the meaning of directly here). Here is the official statement, compliments to Sojar:

These other programs interacted in the game in ways that either did or could have been used to directly give players an advantage, such as bots. Anet never said any program was approved, only that texmod was given a pass with a sort of "salutary neglect." These other programs fell under Anet's presumption of use them at your own risk. Ignorance of knowing whether or not a program you used could have been used maliciously doesn't get you off the hook. Play the game normally and you won't have this issue. No one "falsely" banned deserves their account back. It seems there are a few genuine cases of people who got banned for no reason, but all of you claiming it is "unfair" are only complaining cause you got caught.

Take your toys and leave, seriously.

That was a lot of hostility for a total nonanswer to my post.

Gill Halendt · Jun 22, 2010, 08:53 AM // 08:53

Texmod is not detectable anyway. Not until Anet can install a probe in your video card framebuffer, that is.

Used in some unintended ways (such as for cartography) Texmod does indeed provide advantages, but still, there's nothing Anet can do against it. Is it exploitative? Maybe. If you were Anet, would you enforce the RoC and ban people who took the shortcut for easier cartography? Well, if the rules are to be taken literally, I would, even if it sounds a bit drastic, so, why not? Is there any way for Anet to tell wether people were using Texmod or not? No. End of story.

As long as the advantages provided by an undetectable, purely client-side mod are that minor, I really can't see the reason for this much fuss.

Motoko · Jun 22, 2010, 09:24 AM // 09:24

Yes lemming, its exploitative.

Emunator · Jun 22, 2010, 08:25 PM // 20:25

Well Gaile is still looking into my ban, did just get another mail from her.
I'm really glad to see that she is actually trying to do something.

Still hoping for the best.

shoyon456 · Jun 23, 2010, 08:02 AM // 08:02

@ Lemming: As Gladiator said, yes it is exploitative. Frankly though, the fullest extent it can interact with the game (changing only skins in a client-side manner) doesn't make it cross the line of being worth Anet's time to puruse. However, that is purely my opinion and I can understand why some may disagree.

However, other programs such as this faktor and others Emunator used clearly cross the line. I don't know much about the technical aspect, but they interfere with the game on a much deeper level than simply "changing skins" like Texmod does, specifically through injection of .dll I hear. Because these programs have much more potential to be used in malicious ways such as botting, I find statements like this:

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Originally Posted by Emunator

Well Gaile is still looking into my ban, did just get another mail from her.
I'm really glad to see that she is actually trying to do something.

Still hoping for the best.

to be arrogant. I can't imagine the nerve. No you didn't "cheat," but you are guilty of using a program that injected .dll as you yourself stated. Maybe you were unaware of the potential maliciousness of said program, but that's like saying you didn't see the posted speed limit. The burden of proof is really on you to check out what you put on your computer, and when in doubt do not use third party programs. How much more simple could it get?

fowlero · Jun 23, 2010, 02:34 PM // 14:34

Can someone please explain to me how you email gaile grey, for i hold no hope in what i've heard about the support system and i'm virgin to it.

I tried looking at the wiki system but i am a complete wiki virgin and have no idea where i'd start...

My story - "Only 3rd party use is texmod perhaps a year or two ago to see how it worked before i decided i couldnt be bothered with pve titles, and i frequently use gwx2. I tried Kuntz' ut99 thing but got rid of it soon after. I have never had any infringements on my accounts.

I got back to my parents house having moved back from university for my summer holiday. GW worked fine when i moved back, next day i leave to austria to work with my dad for 10 days and retuned today.

Attempted to logon to guild wars to find my parents house's IP address has been banned from accessing guild wars for multiple user agreement infractions (error code 224)..."

Sorry what? My first inclination is that i've been hacked but then that doesnt make much sense with the IP ban or does it?

I can imagine maybe the .dll for kuntz's mod may have tricked up their banning thing but really can't imagine that's justification for an IP Ban?

I've not recieved any emails from ncsoft saying my accounts been banned which i'd imagine is what happens?

But yeah any help in talking to gaile would be very much appreciated. I'm currently filling in a support ticket.

Apologies that this is a QQ what the hell has happened post but i have no idea where i put my efforts.

Emunator · Jun 23, 2010, 04:34 PM // 16:34

@fowlero that sounds really bad.
I dont think a-net goes to ip bans whitout a very good reason to be hounest.
Since error 224 is an ip-ban.

But for resolving this you should start out with a ticket first at http://help.ncsoft.com/cgi-bin/ncsof...nduser/ask.php